1worldflag: A blue dot on a transparent background

(1worldflag.com)

147 points | by davidbarker 20 hours ago

38 comments

  • linsomniac 18 minutes ago
    I recently was listening to a 99 Percent Invisible podcast: Citizen of the World https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/665-citizen-of-the-wo...

    It's about a guy who has been fighting for ~50 years to be able to be a citizen of no country. I left that episode thinking "This is the hero we need right now."

    He has set up the World Citizen Government https://worldcitizengov.org/

  • bloak 13 hours ago
  • dwoldrich 31 minutes ago
    Modern invented flag peddlers only seek to have us fly flags of the division they seek to generate. I only fly the flag of the country I live in and give side eye to anyone that does otherwise.
  • adzm 19 hours ago
    Transparency in a flag is new to me. It's surprisingly effective here. Could this be done with just cloth without synthetics by using thinner threads or thread count?
    • fiatpandas 16 hours ago
      I also love the transparency and am surprised it hasn’t been used more. Granted, it would be very difficult to achieve with natural materials and also be durable. A flag should be able to withstand an ocean voyage exposed to the elements.
      • rob74 12 hours ago
        I think you pointed out very well why it hasn't been used more: lack of durability. Either it has to be some kind of plastic foil, in which case it has to be thin enough to fly in the wind the same way as a traditional flag does, so it will degrade very quickly when exposed to the elements. Or the silk organza suggested on the page, but if it's thin enough to be (almost) transparent I'm not convinced that it would fare much better.

        So, nice idea, but completely impractical, which makes it a gimmick.

    • lloeki 13 hours ago
      I feel what makes it work well here is also that it's not perfectly transparent so you can still see it wave in the wind and make out it's rectangular shape.

      I'd definitely take that into consideration for a digital version.

      • anaumann 13 hours ago
        >> I'd definitely take that into consideration for a digital version.

        Finally, an application for Apple‘s Liquid Glass UI

        • lloeki 8 hours ago
          Well given there's no abuse of refractive light bending it looks more like whatever frosted glass existed before liquid glass.

          Also this flag has square corners.

        • hsbauauvhabzb 12 hours ago
          Seems unfair to associate anything good with that abomination.
    • alm4x 18 hours ago
      The website mentions silk organza at https://1worldflag.com/flag/. That's where my mind went initially, some kind of sheer silk fabric. I don't know how durable it would be in the elements though.
      • nextaccountic 14 hours ago
        That would be the first flag that isn't vegan, which.. doesn't look very cool
        • benj111 13 hours ago
          I'm sure there have been plenty of flags that haven't been vegan.
    • invalidusernam3 13 hours ago
      It's a novel and fun idea! I also wonder how it would be represented correctly as a digital image, could be as an actual png or maybe the white/grey checker pattern from PhotoShop? Realistically probably just with a white background
    • bux93 13 hours ago
      Not great for t-shirts
    • kelseyfrog 18 hours ago
      The microplastics inherent in synthetics is the point.
      • BSDobelix 13 hours ago
        Good one ;) and a flag should never be wet, so cover it in Teflon.
  • butlike 1 hour ago
    It should be a white flag. All the colors, and the fact we embraced it as a flag of unity over a flag of surrender should say all there is to say about us getting over our differences.

    Edit: From Wikipedia: (A white flag) serves as an internationally recognized sign of truce and negotiation, meaning "we want to talk". It emerged as an ideal symbol for peace because it is highly visible on the battlefield, is easy to make, and doesn't belong to any specific nation.

    • g_delgado14 43 minutes ago
      White flags are commonly associated with defeat in battle. Probably not the vibe one wants.
      • mplanchard 39 minutes ago
        from the post you replied to:

        > and the fact we embraced it as a flag of unity over a flag of surrender should say all there is to say about us getting over our differences

        • insane_dreamer 31 minutes ago
          hard to change an association that has been around for millennia (literally)
          • mplanchard 24 minutes ago
            Yeah I don’t disagree, but I think the difficulty is kind of the point in the GP’s post: it would take an unprecedented era of peace for us to collectively agree that the idea of “surrender” is an anachronism ready to be reclaimed for a better purpose.
  • hotep99 15 hours ago
    Will be useful for the inevitable war against the offworld colonies.
    • BSDobelix 14 hours ago
      I just hope that Mars is not adapting the Japanese flag...pretty bad for colorblind soldiers ;)
      • skullone 7 hours ago
        The Mars colonies would never choose independence!
  • layer8 14 hours ago
    The Land of the Rising Sea.
  • et1337 17 hours ago
    Can’t wait for CGP Grey’s review of this flag
    • monkeywork 16 hours ago
      is he still making content it feels like its been forever since ive heard anything about him
      • aquariusDue 14 hours ago
        He's got a regular monthly podcast called Codex if you're into that format too.
      • latexr 14 hours ago
        Like so many other creators, seems like Grey’s main focus might now be on podcasts. Easier to produce and monetise.
      • boxed 15 hours ago
        That's what we always say between videos :P
  • ChiperSoft 5 hours ago
    Nothing says "I care about the earth" like a giant sheet of plastic.
  • karol 15 hours ago
    I would live to see the transparency around the funding and goals of this project.
    • nakedneuron 14 hours ago
      Lacking transparency is a red flag.
      • butlike 57 minutes ago
        That's deeply funny since the Japanese flag is opaque white and red
      • prox 14 hours ago
        Nothing a good conversation to PNG can’t fix
      • pelagicAustral 12 hours ago
        Thank you for flagging this issue.
  • trashb 13 hours ago
    I like the idea to have a symbol to unite the world under one flag.

    The blue dot seems to make sense as it represents the world without focusing on one perspective or projection of the world map. The transparent background also makes sense for the flag, but I think it would be more recognizable if it was just a white background (in my mind the default flag background).

    Also it seems to me transparent materials are in general more polluting. On the website it mentions a black background was considered (I suppose representing space). It would be nice if there was an alternative version chosen without the transparency for mediums where transparency is not an option either black or white would suffice imho.

    As others mentioned it does seem very similar (same proportions) as the Japanese flag. I wonder what the opinion of the Japanese is on this concept.

    • Theodores 13 hours ago
      Note that blue was an expensive colour until recent times. Painters would use it sparingly.

      Nowadays blue is easy and common in flags, and much else, so this flag design is high tech.

  • rrgok 18 hours ago
    I don't like the color blue. Can we change it?
  • vintagedave 12 hours ago
    I appreciate the ethos of unity, but in a sense it scares me were this ever to be political unity -- because I don't trust it would remain (or even ever be) democratic and free.

    We see so many examples of power hurting citizens in existing nations. The risk if the entire world had one political unity, of losing freedom, is extreme.

    With multiple nations and blocs, at least some remain showing an example of what can exist in the others.

    • pelagicAustral 12 hours ago
      The only way we'll going to achieve anything remotely akin to World Unity™ is as some form of dystopic Warhammer 40K future. You try putting even 5 people in a root have them reach consensus on anything.
  • stevenalowe 5 hours ago
    How about a pale blue dot on a black background
  • rolymath 17 hours ago
    Judging by the comments here, the 1worldflag should have been a picture of two people arguing.
    • grebc 17 hours ago
      Yes! Classic.

      We don’t have an outside enemy atm so we squabble amongst ourselves, it’s a pattern as old as humans have gathered into groups.

  • spondyl 13 hours ago
    I can't help but be distracted by the 26MB flag video that my fibre connection is only able to download at 150 KB/sec here in New Zealand?
  • lanyard-textile 18 hours ago
    Love the idea.

    But the transparency :( It makes the whole flag low contrast, an undesirable quality in flags.

  • hermitcrab 12 hours ago
    Someone made a flag to express unity and we've just all come here to argue about it. How very human.
    • BSDobelix 11 hours ago
      Are not ~all flags made to express unity?

      However that one looks better: https://www.flagofplanetearth.com/

      Fight me :)

      • hermitcrab 0 minutes ago
        >Are not ~all flags made to express unity?

        Usually the unity of some humans against other humns.

      • butlike 55 minutes ago
        What are these marketing sites advertising the Earth flag? Who's buying?!
      • jslakro 2 hours ago
        I wouldn't trust any flag with a hexiform shape. I mean, hexagons can be found in the wild but one perfect circle reflects better our human nature
  • Leptonmaniac 17 hours ago
    So this is effectively the Esperanto of flags?
  • xgkickt 18 hours ago
    Blue needs to be paler, and the dot smaller ;-)
    • dylan604 17 hours ago
      I was disappointed it wasn't a pale blue dot as well.
      • ant6n 15 hours ago
        Yeah, it’s more like a saturated blue giant circle.
  • seirim 17 hours ago
    Try to add a favicon for the website if you can guys, a blue dot would work well here.
  • simondotau 15 hours ago
    Like all flags, this will come to represent those who choose to fly it, and the causes they fly it for. Which then makes them symbols of the ideas opposed by people who think flag waving is cringe.
  • nickandbro 16 hours ago
    This will be needed for the galactic civil wars that will soon take place.
  • amai 11 hours ago
    Will we put this flag on the moon?
  • mattvr 12 hours ago
    Is there information on the license of this flag? Not how/if clear you can reproduce it legally.
  • pixlmint 15 hours ago
    Holy typo… does the one world not have proofreaders?
    • amarant 12 hours ago
      Nope! They were sent off along with other useful professionals such as telephone cleaners on a big space ship!
  • ARandomerDude 16 hours ago
    What if we took Japan’s flag, imagined it printed on paper, but made the dot blue?
  • patates 15 hours ago
    I like the direction of unity but this will probably be problematic when we eventually start to colonize other planets. I don't want our first settlers to feel discriminated, so please kindly make a new version with more universality - now that I think about it, Universal Pictures also has the world in their logo so maybe this IS universal but we probably we need Jim and Hannah in the loop as well so they can chime in, and last but not least, we need a review from the legal so I CC'd to all, expect some new ideas/requirements.

    Also, can we please make it "pop"?

    ps. Attaching a version I made, and this took a lot of back and forth with chatgpt because I care about this a lot, so please have a look, I think we are close to something great here!

    Looking forward to seeing more from you!

    ps2. when I was about to send our manufacturing guy entered the room and he said the transparency could be a problem. Some alternatives without compromising the idea would be great! They must be cheap but elegant! Thank you!!

    • reconnecting 15 hours ago
      > we eventually start to colonize other planets.

      Could you please clarify which ones? I'm planning my escape, but it seems that even lightspeed wouldn't be enough to colonize anything suitable.

      • boxed 15 hours ago
        Eh? If you go at light speed you can literally go everywhere in the universe subjectively instantly due to time dilation.
        • reconnecting 15 hours ago
          > If you go at light speed

          I will certainly not. And even if I did — within any reachable radius there's nothing actually suitable, everything is 10+ ly away, but maybe I missed something.

  • Skidaddle 16 hours ago
    Very cool, hard to beat the Earthican flag though

    https://theinfosphere.org/images/1/17/Earth_Flag.svg

    • slekker 16 hours ago
      Did you miss an "/s"? That's horrendous!
      • Skidaddle 6 hours ago
        Yes it’s from Futurama
      • fc417fc802 14 hours ago
        Not at all - it's clearly intended as a threat. /s
  • s20n 18 hours ago
    but that's the wrong shade of blue? It'd have been great if they took the colour from "The blue marble" instead of this Turbo Pascal blue.
    • moss_dog 17 hours ago
      What do you mean by "wrong"?

      I reckon the actual color doesn't matter as long as it's blue-ish. There are no branding guidelines or anything. Even the size of the circle is unspecified, which IMO is a feature, not a bug. It's accessible :)

      EDIT: I'm incorrect, there is a spec. Whelp! I still like my imagined more-flexible version of the flag.

      • dheera 16 hours ago
        It is the 16-color VGA version of blue, not the version of blue you'd pick if you had a 24-bit color display.

        This website reminds me of the early 90s internet because of the specific shade of blue they picked.

    • dylan604 17 hours ago
      Maybe they couldn't find American Flag Blue??? Or is that reserved for swimming pools now?
    • simondotau 16 hours ago
      [dead]
  • mock-possum 14 hours ago
    Looks too much like japan’s flag.

    Let’s try an earth and a sunrise behind it - half a circle sitting on the bottom of the rectangle, and a yellow circle making a sunrise on top of that, like a yolk sitting on a blue egg.

  • glerk 15 hours ago
    I like this. And furthermore, it is my opinion that all current nation states should be dismantled.
    • halapro 14 hours ago
      I wish so too, but clearly this is not in any way practical. The EU is the closest thing we got to "fewer borders"
      • glerk 13 hours ago
        We can always dream and then find ways to make it practical :)

        It's encouraging I didn't get downvoted as much as I expected I would.

    • Auracle 15 hours ago
      It’s a nice goal, but no thank you. In my opinion, more of the world needs to be all but quarantined.
      • SuddsMcDuff 13 hours ago
        I expect there are many people who agree with this sentiment, unfortunately they might not agree on precisely which areas ought to be quarantined. And those who happen to live in the areas you want to quarantine might disagree most vigorously.
    • yanhangyhy 13 hours ago
      if cannot merge into 1, at least we can make it a few. 200+ is a waste of resources on so many levels.. so many countries really don't need to exist and have shitty a government...
    • BSDobelix 15 hours ago
      >all current nation states should be dismantled.

      Fun fact. Just people who live in a shitty country want that, maybe instead of change everyone else, change you own country?

      • glerk 14 hours ago
        I've lived in several different countries. There are nice people everywhere. The country governments are shitty everywhere.
        • BSDobelix 14 hours ago
          Funny i live in a country where the people are the government, and with your knowledge of different country's, the future World-Government would not just be shitty but untouchable mighty. I want really small, face to face responsible governments.
          • glerk 13 hours ago
            > the people are the government

            A lot of countries claim that. I think that can only work at a small scale.

            > I want really small, face to face responsible governments

            We are not that different :)

        • yuppiepuppie 14 hours ago
          > The country governments are shitty everywhere.

          Compared to what?

          • glerk 10 hours ago
            Honestly, compared to any random sample of non-retarded and non-malicious people you can find.
        • 0xDEAFBEAD 14 hours ago
          Why would a world government be any better?
      • dostick 14 hours ago
        I am from so called 1st world, how do you define “shitty country”, are there better ones?
      • 9dev 14 hours ago
        German here, I want the same. We are one species inhabiting a single habitable world in a giant dead void. Nationalism is an idiotic game of no value that causes destruction of resources we need, senseless killing in wars over nothing, and ultimately merely a distraction from everything that’s really important.
        • BSDobelix 14 hours ago
          Nothing against a Coordinating body like the UN, and really small states (lets call them community's).

          But there is no "we are the world, we are the children", future is probably more like US/EU/EAU (east asia union), now you have 3 big blocks fighting against each other (much higher world-ending chance). More power = more bully....

          >everything that’s really important.

          Yes your right, and talking...even with a enemy should be considered the base for future world-freedom.

          • 9dev 14 hours ago
            No, I'm absolutely aware that we are - as of now - unable to get past the pettiness of nationality and tribalism. Maybe it's so ingrained in us, we'll never get past that, I don't know.

            It's just massively frustrating to see what humanity could accomplish if we weren't occupied bashing our heads in over religion, nationality, or color of skin. The planet - the only planet - is dying, people and animals are suffering, and the news are dominated by a particular clown and his circus. It's really unbearable sometimes.

            • SuddsMcDuff 13 hours ago
              > It's just massively frustrating to see what humanity could accomplish if we weren't occupied bashing our heads in over religion, nationality, or color of skin.

              Resenting the real world because it doesn't live up to your make-believe fantasy world is pathological. I too can imagine perfect utopian worlds where everybody lives in peace and harmony, but they're just fantasies. Eventually you have to come back to the real world and learn to accept the harsh truths of the reality you find yourself inhabiting.

              • BSDobelix 13 hours ago
                >Resenting the real world because it doesn't live up to your make-believe fantasy world is pathological.

                I dont think world-peace (more or less) is impossible, even if it's more like "Brave New World" instead of "1984".

                Or maybe something like the UN with a strong peace-force and WITHOUT a security council but a real and fair democratic decision process.

                And maybe the most important point, i have not seen real War-Winners (except the mil.-industrial-blabla) since the 2. World-war....just losers on both sides.

              • 9dev 13 hours ago
                That's not what I have said. Imagine you have a mentally challenged brother you love dearly, who continues to run head-first against a wall. That's what it feels like. Doesn't mean I'm not aware and accepting of the reality we all live in.

                Edit: And honestly, I find it a bit pathological to take the sentence you quoted upfront and not feeling similar resentment against those things. Granted, Humans are a belligerent species, but just shrugging these things away is really not an acceptable stance either.

              • glerk 13 hours ago
                > Eventually you have to come back to the real world and learn to accept the harsh truths of the reality you find yourself inhabiting.

                I don't know why I feel so much contempt for people like you. I kinda get it, you want to feel intellectually superior. You're the reasonable one, the adult in the room, etc. but seriously bro, this reality is so fucking harsh. What keeps you going? Why are you still here and going through with it?

            • BSDobelix 14 hours ago
              >The planet - the only planet - is dying, people and animals are suffering, and the news are dominated by a particular clown and his circus. It's really unbearable sometimes.

              Oh man you speak from my heart, it's like we live on a star-ship, but everyone looks just at their own room instead of steering the ship into a better future.

              EDIT: However, as we see a shift from the UN (as a future captain?) to NATO (at least in the so called "West"), i see dark times ahead of us.

        • rlpb 14 hours ago
          The paradox of tolerance applies though. It helps to keep the intolerants at bay.
          • emaro 14 hours ago
            No borders doesn't mean no rules.
    • legostormtroopr 15 hours ago
      And replaced with what?
      • BSDobelix 15 hours ago
        Have you read the utopian book "Starship Troopers" from Heinlein ;)
        • elictronic 13 hours ago
          It had a real Mary Poppins feel when interacting with the skinnies.
      • glerk 14 hours ago
        That can be figured out after the dismantling process :)

        My personal utopian take: smaller communities/city-states that would naturally coalesce into more fluid confederations. A lot of these communities could also be distributed and non-local.

      • Towaway69 14 hours ago
        Money.
    • altmanaltman 15 hours ago
      good opinion and one that most agree with

      what most don't agree with: what happens next?

  • suddenlybananas 15 hours ago
    Looks like something out of 1997.
  • visha1v 15 hours ago
    the most european thing i’ve seen today
  • vhcmlctibbkgx 18 hours ago
    [dead]
  • NordStreamYacht 17 hours ago
    Esperanto flag.
  • pixel_popping 14 hours ago
    It should be a different color, because this will be attached to either politics (which you don't want) or EU (which you also don't want), some completely independent color could actually trigger curiosity to look it up.
    • scratcheee 13 hours ago
      Disagree, though you’re right it’s a little bit similar to the eu flag, but only a little, plenty of countries manage with more similar flags.

      Flags don’t exist for the period where they’re gaining recognition. Compromising the significance of the iconography for the temporary gain of not being misidentified during the period it isn’t recognisable would just mean if it gains recognition it will forever be less than it could be.

      In other words, with flags you need to play to win, not to survive. Better that the attempt have a higher risk of failure with a great flag than a lower risk with a mediocre flag.

      The pale blue dot is an excellent way to represent a global outlook and “we’re all in it together”, not sure I can think of a better pedigree for this concept. I’d perhaps have been tempted to make it a smaller blue dot, but flags do need to be recognised at a distance, so it can’t be too much smaller.

    • its-summertime 13 hours ago
      I believe its a reference to the planet being a pale blue dot.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot