Dogme 25 – Vow of Chastity

(dogma25.dk)

33 points | by internet_points 3 hours ago

9 comments

  • jedimastert 16 minutes ago
    I feel like people are reading this as "this is how the under signers think all movies should be made, and we are judging movies not made this way as a moral failing", when I think a better reading would be "as directors/film makers/story tellers, this is how we think we can maximize our own creativity and joy when we make movies".
  • mr_mitm 1 hour ago
    Interesting that they only have one rule in common with the predecessor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogme_95
  • RobotToaster 23 minutes ago
    I wonder if they would accept a CGI movie entirely set within a computer, nothing in the rules seem to prohibit it :).
  • Hnrobert42 1 hour ago
    What is happening? What is the difference between Dogma and Dogme? What is this site about?
  • hau 1 hour ago
    >The film must be shot where the narrative takes place.

    This one really stands out by exculding whole genres and not really adding anything interesting to work around.

    • dfxm12 11 minutes ago
      That's ok. The goal is not for every film to fit into this criteria.
    • irdc 55 minutes ago
      Which genres would that be?

      One could also argue that certain genres simply won't ever work as an arthouse movie.

      • RobotToaster 37 minutes ago
        > Which genres would that be?

        Space opera, high fantasy and bangsian fantasy are three that come to mind.

        • irdc 32 minutes ago
          I could see bangsian fantasy work if the afterlife were to be located on earth (which opens up some narrative possibilities, though they're a bit unoriginal). The other two are predicated upon portraying their locations inauthentically, which conflicts with the rules Dogme 25 strives to follow.
        • coldtea 21 minutes ago
          Exluding them is for the better... we got more than enough
    • viccis 30 minutes ago
      Makes sense because it's similar to one of the ones from Dogme95 which explicitly excluded genre files.
    • brazzy 50 minutes ago
      I don't think it's meant as a constraint to be worked around, but as a guardrail against being inauthentic.

      And it excludes a lot less than its inspiration Dogme 95, which has as one rule "Genre movies are not acceptable."

      • pjc50 10 minutes ago
        > "Genre movies are not acceptable."

        I find that hilarious, like proclaiming that only other people have an ethnicity or an accent. Because of course Dogme is a genre of its own.

    • aetherspawn 59 minutes ago
      It kind of protects against low budget sci-fi I guess, which could be a net good thing.

      Under the rules you could attempt to shoot Resident Alien, but not Star Trek.

      • irdc 51 minutes ago
        I'm thinking you could shoot an awesome sci-fi thriller under these rules. Even one that includes space travel. Just don't have any of the narrative take place in space: have only one character off-planet and have them communicate via radio.
      • jmusall 36 minutes ago
        I've seen good, low-budget indie sci-fi short films that would presumably meet all of the Dogma 25 rules. So I think it doesn't protect against this category of films and neither would that be a good thing anyways. It just requires creative solutions if you want to e.g. portrait space travel.
  • maelito 1 hour ago
    My eyes are bleeding reading this CSS
    • bdcravens 21 minutes ago
      The same way that HN puts tags like [video] or [pdf] in titles, they should have something like [eyestab] for a site like that. I was so not ready for that visual assault.
    • leshenka 30 minutes ago
      I believe red and black theme is an artistic choice. Sadly, readability suffers from this choice. Just making the text bold makes it a lot better while preserving its spirit.
    • orangebread 30 minutes ago
      My brain is bleeding after reading this strange ass manifesto.
  • artyom 1 hour ago
    Can we have just good cinema back?

    Not the cookie-cutter safe productions of today, which are essentially 2 hours long advertisements for popcorn and toys.

    Not this snob "here's us certifying ourselves about being pure" bullshit.

    Just good cinema. You know what I'm talking about.

    • ramon156 1 hour ago
      There is a lot of good cinema out there, it's just not at your fingertips. I too have become too lazy to look further than my nose's length.
      • AlecSchueler 52 minutes ago
        There's even some good stuff in the big cinemas. Barbie was excellent for example.
    • mnewme 1 hour ago
      There is great cinema today, sadly a lot of great movies lack proper distribution. Go to film festivals, the quality of movies is only increasing
    • leopld 14 minutes ago
      Name a movie that’s your reference of good cinema
    • jamal-kumar 1 hour ago
      Lars Von Trier is objectively good cinema
      • falcor84 18 minutes ago
        I suppose that's not what you meant, but I love the idea of "Lars Von Trier" as a persona being good cinema.

        At the very least, it made me understand that I need him to appear as himself in the next Death Stranding game.

      • detritus 1 hour ago
        egh, as much as I enjoyed his Dogme 95 fayre when I was young and far more self-important, I find his later 'big cinema' output turgid twaddle.

        Melancholia was just about bareable but from Mandalay onwards I could barely struggle through to the end of his flicks.

        Nymphomaniac made me almost literally angry at its denouement. Just.. shit.

      • 0gs 1 hour ago
        i guess. he's also a misogynistic piece of shit
        • whywhywhywhy 45 minutes ago
          Who would have thought an auteur would be a fully formed and flawed person where flaws may be as extreme as their talent.

          It’s almost as if creativity is connected to emotions, ideology and experience or something.

          • 0gs 22 minutes ago
            everyone, i think. doesn't mean auteurs have to make movies glorifying their flaws without a trace of introspection for 20+ years.
  • rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 32 minutes ago
    Pretentious, pompous trash.
  • mayukh 42 minutes ago
    Nothing like rules for spurring creativity. Waiting for the manual next.
    • jedimastert 19 minutes ago
      > Nothing like rules for spurring creativity.

      I feel like it's pretty well known in creative spaces that constraints breed creativity.

    • coldtea 19 minutes ago
      Creative after creative and artist after artist has said pretty much that constraints and limitations indeed spur creatitivy...
    • smcl 26 minutes ago
      Deliberately imposing constraints on yourself is actually a very well-established way to spur creativity and innovation. For example this movement was inspired by something similar from back in the 1990s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogme_95