5 comments

  • signorovitch 1 hour ago
    Feel a bit bad for Yomif Kejelcha who also broke the 2-hour mark, with this being his first competition marathon, but managed to neither break a record nor win.
    • Aurornis 10 minutes ago
      I'll admit I'm not familiar with running, but in other sports it's not uncommon for amazing early career athletes to hold back a little bit on their first attempts.

      It's easier to draw attention (and therefore sponsorships) if you leave some room to improve on successive attempts. It's riskier to give everything up front and then risk plateauing or regressing in your subsequent attempts.

    • darth_avocado 48 minutes ago
      While I know competitors want to always strive to be the best, as a completely normal human who struggles to complete a half marathon under two hours, I do not feel bad for the guy. He’s still one of the only two people to do it (outside of the very controlled run from Kipchoge). Not a feat to feel bad about at all.
    • parsimo2010 55 minutes ago
      While that seems like a bummer, as long as he doesn't quit he'll have many more chances to set the record himself.
    • MengerSponge 1 hour ago
  • rhplus 59 minutes ago
    Is there also something unique about the shirt he wore? It has a unique embossed pattern on the chest. Is it just a nice design or does it also provide aerodynamic or heat wicking advantage?

    https://news.adidas.com/sabastian-sawe---london-marathon/a/0...

    • double0jimb0 0 minutes ago
      Good eye! Almost like an inverted golf ball. If I remember correctly from undergrad aero, purpose of dimples on golf ball is to detach/disrupt more of any laminar flow earlier as air passes around the ball, which decreases drag. Golf balls travel way faster than a runner, but possibly still has some minor effect?
  • bbcc90 30 minutes ago
    I'm a runner, and it's a bit sad that distance running is not longer purely about the runner.

    Based on the quote below, next thing we will see is a "constructors championship" similar to F1 for winning shoe constructor in the 'major' marathons :-(.

    " This dominance continued in 2024, with adidas athletes wearing Adizero models winning six out of 12 World Major Marathons – more than any other brand."

    and yes, of course i race in super shoes :-).

    • nerder92 7 minutes ago
      It was never about the runner, it has always been about technology and innovation. Shoes tech is just one of them. Better nutrition, novel training techniques, better air quality etc.

      Of course innovation in shoes will have a bigger marginal impact (because physics).

  • codezero 1 hour ago
    Those shoes are gonna sell like crazy now but it would be hilarious if they were to be found to have been giving an unfair advantage because of some mechanical property of the shoe.
    • icegreentea2 1 hour ago
      Reviews say that they have very very good, but not record breaking energy return and shock absorption. But what they are is insanely light at sub 100g.

      https://runrepeat.com/adidas-adizero-adios-pro-evo-3

      • parsimo2010 51 minutes ago
        For a while it was all about getting the lightest shoes, because picking up heavy shoes slowed you down. Then the energy return (pebax foam, carbon plates/rods) became the main focus because the weight didn't matter as much when the shoe was literally springy. Surely this is now going to spark a race for the optimal balance between weight and energy return.
    • mbesto 59 minutes ago
      The Nike Zoom Vaporfly's already had set this precedent years ago: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/18/upshot/nike-v...

      The big improvement then was a carbon plate. Adidas (and others) followed suit. The subsequent improvements since then have been marginal but the margins are thin at that level. In this case the big advancement has been the weight of the shoe.

      EDIT: Also it's worth noting these shoes are $500 retail. Adidas will for sure get a boost in sales from this, but there's definitely competition in the $200~$300 marathon running shoe space that won't solely draw everyone to Adidas)

      • pclmulqdq 31 minutes ago
        Do these new Adidas shoes have anything major over the Vaporfly shoes? Maybe they are a bit lighter?

        I think the big story here may be the nutrition science to get these guys to absorb a lot of carbs during the run, more than the shoes.

    • loloquwowndueo 54 minutes ago
      Well if they’re sold in stores and next year everyone will have a pair, then it’s not going to be an unfair advantage, is it?
      • colechristensen 41 minutes ago
        There is a whole class of running shoes banned from various competitions.

        Essentially the argument given was too much advantage came from the shoes and they didn't want racing to be about shoe technology development.

    • sergiotapia 1 hour ago
      what else could it possibly be if not that?
      • robot_jesus 1 hour ago
        Well, the marathon record has been broken 53 times since the early 1900s. So, there are a lot of factors at play. Better training, better nutrition, better tactics, and, yes, better shoes.

        The advancements in shoes have made a measurable impact, but there are lots of optimizations being worked on.

      • jonplackett 58 minutes ago
        There’s info in one of the other threads about better carb intake too.

        But yeah at this point, “it’s the shoes, stupid” should defo be the main part of the conversation.

      • brudgers 1 hour ago
        Performance enhancing drugs seem to help break records in sports from baseball to cycling.
    • DwnVoteHoneyPot 1 hour ago
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      • nearlyepic 1 hour ago
        If I wanted to know what an LLM thought (I don't) I would go ask an LLM.
        • MattCruikshank 38 minutes ago
          One person sharing what an LLM thinks is probably better for the environment than each person asking...
          • nearlyepic 26 minutes ago
            I'll trade a little bit of damage to the environment in exchange for keeping meaningful communication between human beings alive and well.
      • RobotCaleb 1 hour ago
        Did you ask AI what to wear today, too?
        • dyauspitr 1 hour ago
          Is what the AI told him incorrect?
          • kibwen 1 hour ago
            It sure would be great if the LLM in question would cite its sources so that we could verify whatever source it ingested this text from.
            • dyauspitr 46 minutes ago
              They always do. You’re either being intentionally daft or you haven’t used an LLM from within the last year and a half.
          • RobotCaleb 1 hour ago
            I don't know, I didn't ask my AI
          • jonplackett 57 minutes ago
            This is not the point
      • kibibu 1 hour ago
        AI told us we should add glue to pizza
        • _carbyau_ 42 minutes ago
          Is that not what tomato paste and/or cheese is? Food glue? The other ingredients would fall off too easily otherwise.

          Or did the AI say we should be using PVA/cyanoacrylate/polyurethane glue or something?

        • ray_v 1 hour ago
          In this economy, it may be sage advice.
        • dyauspitr 1 hour ago
          You should stop using 3.5
        • readthenotes1 1 hour ago
          I'm pretty sure that's an old trick based on some of the so-called cheese I've had on pizza
  • readthenotes1 1 hour ago
    A purist might want the athletes to wear the same gear as Pheidippides
    • pclmulqdq 6 minutes ago
      Such a purist should also note that Pheidippides was likely the runner who ran to Sparta and back, hundreds of miles, the preceding week to ask for their aid at Marathon.
    • mayneack 40 minutes ago
      Why stop there. Why not deny them modern medicine or nutrition?
    • jonplackett 56 minutes ago
      A purist just wants it to be about the runner not the shoe.
      • _carbyau_ 39 minutes ago
        Purism is extremism about a thing. Pick a thing, be purely about that thing.

        I used to love F1 for the tech that would filter down to my car in ten years time, but that is not a thing anymore.

        I for one love the advances in technology in something as supposedly simple as a shoe. And maybe I'll get to use it on a hike in a few years.

        • teruakohatu 31 minutes ago
          > I for one love the advances in technology in something as supposedly simple as a shoe. And maybe I'll get to use it on a hike in a few years.

          These shoes are practically disposable. They trade longevity for noticeable gains in performance. Even the tier below don’t last very long. This is not tech that is going to filter down to your hiking boots.