The Internet Gopher from Minnesota

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61 points | by rbanffy 3 days ago

9 comments

  • dwheeler 4 hours ago
    > At GopherCon 1993, it was announced that Gopher servers would need to pay for the privilege of using the protocol... Well, that didn’t work out. People were angry and many felt betrayed. They weren’t quiet about any of it either.

    > If one were to attempt to identify a single failure of Gopher in competition with the web, it would be the licensing costs. No such fee existed for the World Wide Web.

    This, a thousand times. I watched as this happened. The instant that announcement was made, gopher was finished. Gopher might have lost later as HTML kept adding features, but by the time those features were added to HTML, gopher had already lost.

    • hinkley 4 hours ago
      Similarly, Bertrand Meyer killed Eiffel by trying to charge money for the compiler, and missing the nascent OSS movement. Java was an inferior language in a few important ways but the compiler and runtime were free. He could not compete with both C++ and Java.

      A number of people in that era thought this was a fad and that business as usual would prevail.

    • SeenNotHeard 1 hour ago
      The licensing fee wasn't the sole reason, but it certainly sounded the death knell for Gopher and gave users reasons to look elsewhere.

      For all the gauzy what-could-have-been speculations about Gopher, it really was more like a hierarchical wiki. WWW's freestyle document model quickly expanded to an application platform that could support all manner and style of services. Fees or not, Gopher didn't have a chance.

  • jandrese 5 hours ago
    It seems to me that Gopher just failed to keep up with the times. Embedding images into the page was a killer feature for HTML and Gopher was still doggedly text based because they were still supporting the VT100 users that had been the core userbase. Plus the web went on to support text formatting, tables, and even eventually layout.

    The article isn't entirely correct about the early web being completely free. Netscape was not free software, at least on paper. In practice they didn't try to stop people from spreading it far and wide and I think the sales were somewhat modest despite being the core element of a technological revolution. Also, I guess NCSA Mosiac was technically around, but it lacked enough features to make it a second class citizen compared to Netscape Navigator.

    • ryukoposting 3 hours ago
      Gopher was built for a pre-HAL world, where you couldn't just assume that every user had a graphics card that your software supported - hell, a lot of them might not have graphics at all. In that environment, lack of embedded multimedia was a selling point due to interoperability. If you had a computer and a phone line, you could access Gopher's primeval web. Graphics and sound be damned.

      For what it's worth, I have a copy of Netscape on a CD-ROM that came with a copy of PC/Computing sometime around 1994-1995. For those magazine subscribers, it was "free" if you squint a little.

    • parl_match 3 hours ago
      Gopher was a much more highly structured format. Even if they'd included inline images, they didn't really have a day 0 formatting or layout language that allowed for nesting. There were other locked in choices too, like using a 8 bit value for file type.
    • bluGill 2 hours ago
      The world would be better off without most of that though. I want content not all the fluf and such.

      now get off my lawn!

    • colechristensen 3 hours ago
      I still possess a netscape cdrom which I bought at a store so very long ago.
    • snvzz 3 hours ago
      Not allowing embedded appearance-restricting stuff (such as image or stylesheets) is, in hindsight, what makes gopher great.

      And, conversely, the popular WWW crap.

  • rickcarlino 3 hours ago
    If the idea of a text first structured hyper text protocol interests you, consider taking a look at the Gemini protocol, a modern equivalent. https://geminiprotocol.net/
  • jhbadger 5 hours ago
    Interesting that the article brings up the original 1990s GopherCons (which were conferences for discussing the Gopher protocol). I'm mildly annoyed that the Go programming community (which uses a gopher as a mascot) has reused the name for their conventions, but I guess it's been unused for a while.
  • jmclnx 4 hours ago
    gopher is still active, see gopher://sdf.org, access via lynx
  • a1o 4 hours ago
    Cool seeing the Archie Comics references!
  • doublerabbit 1 hour ago
    Betamax instead of VHS

    8-Track instead of cassette

    Minidiscs instead of CDs

    Yahoo instead of Google

    Gopher instead of HTTP

    I want to believe that such alternative universe exists. How do I get there? I'm tired of this one...

  • snvzz 3 hours ago
    Efficient too.

    Even the original IBM PC can comfortably browse gopher sites with gopherus[0].

    0. https://gopherus.sourceforge.net/

  • bayareacommie 5 hours ago
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